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it's all natural. it's not something that gives you the jitters. it makes you go through your days with energy, and you're not tired anymore, and your anxiety, everything is gone. it's definitely worth trying. it is an amazing product. you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm jim acosta in washington. first, he bans several prominent journalists from twitter. now, elon musk says they can return to twitter but there are conditions. musk said the people have spoken and posted this poll, that
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falsely claimed that a journalist doxxed his location or shared his real-time location. that didn't happen. many said they were in favor of restoring the accounts. accounts of the other journalists suspended are publicly viewable. they cannot actively post anything, until they delete tweets that musk claims share his location. they did not share his location. cnn's doni o'sullivan is one that issuspended. you appealed that decision. is musk the judge in all of this? is he like judge judy? >> it seems like that is the case, jim. this saga seems to be drag out quite a bit. it's important. while twitter is a private company, musk can do whatever he
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wants. he is also claiming he is a free speech absolutist. to be going around journalists, that might be critical of him or reports on him, is a bit rich. i want to show you what happens if i log in to my account. i think we have an image of it here. it's a demand to remove something i tweeted earlier in the week, which was talking about how elon had banned an account of a competitor, an emerging competitor to twitter called called macedon. and i included a link to their account. and if you followed that link, you could make your way to the jet tracking account. for the moment, i decided to appeal it because, you know, i haven't broken twitter's new rules. we'll see what happens. i'm not too confident given the current regime running twitter.
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>> absolutely. donie, one of the other journalists described this situation as absurd. we talked to steve herman in the last hour. it doesn't seem like he is going to comply with the demands. it's the modern-day equivalent of surrender dorothy in "the wizard of oz." share your thoughts on what has transpired. and the whole idea of sharing real-time locations and so on. can you help our viewers understand how that was not going on and why he would make that kind of accusation? >> yeah. jim, if you or i owned a private jet, i don't think we would love the idea of people being able to track us, either. this is publicly available information. back to the point, we didn't actually share his live coordinates or i think he called them assassination kocoordinate. the whole thing is absurd. i think it gives us all pause,
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as to wonder, as journalists, why maybe, you know, do we want to even go back on this platform? why do we spend so much on it? what are the alternatives? i think very important point here is, i have a platform. i'm talking to you on cnn right now. i can use it or social media. a lot of independent freelance journalists around the world, particularly outside of the u.s., they need to be on twitter to get work and to find work and to publish their work. so, the chilling effect this might have on them and also, by the way, people who cover musk's other companies, like spacex and tesla, we've seen over the past 24 hours, lennette lopez also getting banned. it's not clear why she was banned. the precedent isn't good here. >> certainly not. and banning journalists, it doesn't work.
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it always backfires. donie o'sullivan, thank you very much. we appreciate it. this just in to cnn, the report from the georgia grand jury investigating trump and his allies to overturn the election loss in that state, could be coming soon. sara murray joins me now on the phone. what are you learning? >> we're learning that the grand jury, this special grand jury in georgia, that's been hearing from witnesses, collecting documents, they are winding down their work. they have heard from nearly all the witnesses they plan to hear from. they are already working on writing their final report because it's a special grand jury. it works a little different than the normal grand jury. it can't issue an indictment. but the grand juries get together and come up with a recommendation for the district attorney there, saying that, here's who we think should be charged criminally. and she can take that report and go to a regular grand jury and
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seek these indictments. it's important. it signals we're about to shift into the next phase of this investigation. the phase where the district attorney is going to have to decide who do i want to bring criminal charges against? what kind of case do i think can survive in court? and decide whether she is going to go after those indictments. it's coming at a time we know that donald trump is facing potential legal jeopardy. he's under scrutiny by the justice department for his hap handling of classified documents after he left the white house and everything around january 6th. this is interesting. she was started right after donald trump called the georgia secretary of state and asked to find the votes needed for trump to win the election. they are looking at winding down the investigative phase and leading to the phase of, do we bring criminal charges? >> on monday, the january 6th committee will be holding its final public hearing.
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you are learning, there may be major announcements. what can you tell us? >> we are learning from a source familiar with the matter, that the city is ready to refer criminal charges to the justice department for donald trump. we know three at least. one is insurrection, one is obstruction of a proceeding and one is defraud of the federal government. there could be more. those are the three we're learning about so far. this is not binding. the justice department doesn't have to do what this committee asks them to do. it is significant. the lawmakers on the committee feel like there is evidence of wrongdoing. they believe there's evidence that donald trump committed these crimes and maybe other ones. and they're going to lay that out in a public hearing on monday that urges the justice department to take action. i've been talking to members of the committee about, they couldn't just turn a blind eye to what they felt was evidence of criminal activity. they felt those were the historical record and for the justice department, if they want to put it all on the table before they wind down their
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work. >> all right. sara murray, we're going to be watching that. you, as well. thank you so much for that live report. thanks for the update. joining us, s.e. cupp and molly. i want to ask about the trump investigations in a moment. let's go back to elon musk and the 180 he's doing. almost a 180. he's holding the twitter accounts hostage at this point until they meet his demands. what kind of a world are we living in where elon musk is happy to restore the accounts of donald trump and marjorie taylor green and folks like that. but people like donie o'sullivan are getting suspended for doing their jobs? >> well, you know, he's a capricious billionaire. that's what capricious billionaires do. i think he will have trouble
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that will want to go to mars with him now because i think he seems like a person who just is operating by his own rules. of course, it is a private company. he owns it. he can, theoretically, do whatever he wants. i mean, ultimately, i think there was a choice, really, to run twitter like a public utility, that would, i think, have been much better, than to, you know, right now, twitter is just run completely by the whims of elan on musk. >> he didn't mind writing prosecute fauci or a fake headline. but it's a different story when it's about him. is there any way to read this than elon musk is being thin-skinned? he should rename twitter flake-x? >> no one should be surprised that elon musk is a bit insecure and punitive.
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long before he owned twitter, he showed how punitive he could be at his other companies, when, you know, employees ran afoul of him. no one should be surprised he is fielding twitter and using twitter against employees. but what is sad about this, not that he is picking on us, and picking on journalists. we will survive twitter. for all of the bad stuff that twitter had going on, the platforming hate, the cyber bullying, one thing that was good about twitter was the way it platformed journalism. journalism and news telling. that really changed the world. it helped democratize access to news. we knew of stories going over there because journalists could platform it on twitter. journalism made twitter better.
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and twitter made journalism better and more accessible. so, to crap on, you know, the thing that was maybe the most successful part of twitter, just seems like really bad business. but also, just, it's really a shame. if journalists leave twitter, i think twitter will be worse off for it. >> yeah. it's almost not even silencing journalism. it's silencing criticism. >> that's right. >> it's what donald trump tried to do at the white house. now, elon musk is trying to do it at twitter. speaking of trump, because he made the announcement out of the blue that he was debuting the digital trading cards, i mean, let's go through this, depicting him as a cowboy, an astronaut, a superhero. here was the reaction on late night. >> even the most die-hard trump supporters are like, now i'm worried. >> former president trump is releasing trading cards, to
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chronicle his career, like he won the superb bowl or the time he went to space. >> even the my pillow guy is saying, he lost it. if you saw that at 2:00 a.m., am i having an ambien dream? >> it's like qanon meets qvc. >> it's like that instagram meets reality. big trump allies like steve bannon aren't onboard with this. >> trump has had a long history of selling what he can. steaks, water, hotels, ties, hats. that's kind of what he does. this is not so surprising to me. i mean, what is hilarious about it is it's so late into the game. and also, a lot of people, trump allies, thought trump was going to announce a bid for speakership or play some 13
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dimensional chess and announce that kari lake was going to be his vice president. instead, he was announcing that he was offering more products, trump-branded products. >> yeah. it's not three-dimensional chess. it's more like pokemon cards, basically. s.e., we would be remiss if we did not collection did sell out. that's what we're told. who really knows? what do republicans think of all this? >> well, as you pointed out, spokes like steve bannon are a little embarrassed by this. i would be more embarrassed by the racism and sexism and bi big bigotry. it looks cheap and desperate. it's kind of a joke. molly said it's a little late in the game for nfts. and you're running for president, for crying out loud. enough with the cheap gimmicks. grifting off of his supporters
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has also been something that trump has always done. and just, you know, taken their money, any way that he can. so, this is a way of taking people's money. >> he has been innovative in that regard. molly, on-month-old, it will be all eyes on the january 6th committee. sources tell cnn they include obstruction, conspiracy to defraud the united states. do you expect the final report will have the impact that the committee hopes? might folks be getting hopes up in all of this? ultimately, it will be up to the justice department to decide what happens here. >> well, it seems like the justice department also has a pretty good case with the documents case. and now, they have a special prosecutor. with the january 6th committee, through the lens of the midterms, it ended up being very succ
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successful at convincing people that trump's crimes did matter. what they suggest, ultimately, it's a footnote at this point. but i do think that -- i think it will be useful for people to see what's really happened. and trump does seem very -- and again, you don't want to count him out because that's -- in 2015 he was polling at 1%. but he seems deflated. >> i think so. s.e., sara murray was reporting this. the georgia special grand jury is winding down its investigation into trump. and could release its reports soon. for many people, the georgia investigation is the one that had folks asking, what more do you need to hear? other than trump on the phone, asking georgia secretary of state to find the 11,780 votes needed to defeat biden. strong arming the georgia secretary of state. i talked to trump advisers who said, this is the investigation that actually worries him.
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what do you think? >> yeah. you talk to -- and i know you have legal experts on all the time. and if you talk to them, this is the one that they say has the clearest evidence. sedition is hard to prove. this seems to be a bit clearer. i think, if you are in trump's orbit, you're worried about this one. and it's one of many. as you know, that are going on. it could be a domino effect going forward. we'll see if trump will finally be held accountable for something. >> very good. thanks very much, ladies. we appreciate the time. >> great to see you. a humanitarian crisis is unfolding at the southern
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border. migrants are seeking asylum in the united states. their journey is putting a strain on the border towns that are receiving them. and this influx could get harder to manage after federal appeals court paved the way for the end of title 42. that's the pandemic-era policy that allows officials to turn border migrants away, unless the supreme court steps in. gustavo joins us from the southern border of juarez. what are you seeing? i can see folks behind you right now. this is an ongoing situation that you are keeping tabs on. >> reporter: yes. this is something we've seen for two days. those people over there, it took a matter of seconds that crossed the little part of the rio grande here. they take their shoes off. those that want to keep them dry when they come across. they get over there. and that's a few steps up this
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hill to wait to that makeshift fence. it wasn't here long ago. this was built after an incident, a few weeks back. a large number of migrants tried to rush into the states. you see on the right, there's the official borderline. the rest is new construction. all day, we've seen people waiting there to be taken in by the border patrol. we might not be seeing the long lines from days ago. now, we're seeing easily hundreds, all day long. and here to our right, somebody just decided to go a different way. somebody told them it was easier to do it this way. just trying to get to the other side. most of the people we talked to today, have been venezuelans. many have just gotten off of a bus after a long bus ride from southern mexico. they get here and they want to d try their luck. they get to the front of the line. they talk to an agent and the agent tells them this is not the
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time. it might be better to wait until wednesday. we talk about misinformation. people think that after title 42 ends next wednesday, might be an open gate for everybody. they might be telling people to wait altogether or to wait until wednesday. but the border patrol are telling them to wait until wednesday, otherwise they could be deported from other areas. they could end up in tijuana. and that is something that many are not trying to risk right now. there's a lot of misinformation. people are telling the venezuelans, the cubans, it's okay to get in. the u.s. has no good relationship with those countries. hence, they cannot deport them back because they would not be taken by other countries. so, some they said, they will take their chances. and others, the worst thing for them to happen is to be sent back to their countries of
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origin. they want to try their luck here, where city officials in juarez, are seeing something they hadn't seen before. they are seeing the deportees come over but not the large number of migrants. they see throwsthousands of peo waiting for wednesday. >> thank you, gustavo. russian missiles rain down on central ukraine, killing four people including an 18-month-old toddler. an american who has been working to rescue civilians, caught in the cross fire joins me next. her stack of hats grew. she even served turkey legs with what's on t tap, all l while wearing a viking hat. then she found a place. her many hats would be embraced, and she couldn't hide the excitement from her face. so, polly traded in her hats to help earn her grad cap! your past experience can help you earn your degree faster and for less.
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four people were killed, including an 18-month-old boy whose body was pulled from the rubble. cnn's will ripley is in odessa. >> reporter: ukraine's power grid is limping along here. the power, the water, the heat. this is more than 24 hours after this attack, that paralyzed much of this country, when russian lobbed some 76 missiles. the hardest hit area being in central ukraine, where there were just heartbreaking scenes of a young family, with a very young child, being pulled from underneath the destroyed pieces of rocks that were -- that was their home. these russian missiles, exclusively, according to president zelensky, targeted civilian targets, mostly infrastructure.
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some of them, either they missed or maybe they were just intentional. who knows? they hit people's homes and took people's lives and turned other lives upside down. they took other children that are among the injured. at least four people killed. well over a dozen injured. not to mention the tierer that you're inflicting when there's the air raid sirens and explosions. people are sheltering under grouped for hours. and the businesses that have to keep on making a profit. keep on making a living, keep the lights on when the lights are off half of the time or more than half the time. ukraine needs all of the weapons it can get, military analysts say. there is growing concern that russia is assembling a new round of forces to make a go at kyiv. that's what the head of the armed forces told "the
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economist." and it's been echoed by military analysts of what vladimir putin is doing by battering the power grid, he is exhausting ukraine's resources, forcing them to fight on front lines in the east and the south, and not allowing them to reassemble, while russia, battling with the missiles, tries to get a fresh round of troops. albeit inexperienced and mobilized con skribtscripts who not do well on the battlefield. a lot of them would die, as well. that seems to be russia's intention, according to ukrainian leadership and military analysts, making it fearful of what the coming months can bring. not taking into account the brutal winter that lies ahead for millions of people in ukraine, that are living without lights and heat. >> will ripley, thank you very much. in the middle of russia's senseless war of ukraine, dozens of people say they are alive because of one man. an american who decided to stopwatching from the states and
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decided to do something from the states. brad hen maine and deployed himself to ukraine. he spends day and night rescuing those caught in the crossfire. he is a place where he conducted one of the most daring rescues. it was there that brad met a woman desperately trying to save her husband that had been injured in an explosion. watch. >> good. good. a doctor, hospital. yeah. here. here. i will drive to the hospital. >> yeah. >> come. come. is this -- yeah?
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we have to go. doctor. we have to go to a doctor now. >> unable to carry the man on his back, brad pulled him down every, single step, to his car, driving in the pitch black to a hospital, where he could receive some aid. from health care workers. he joins me now from eastern ukraine. brad, well done, sir. first of all. my hat's off to you. you describe yourself as a last mile guy. some time driving under bombardment. we should warn folks that what you've done is extremely risky. what made you decide to leave your life in maine and do this? >> hi, jim. there's a lot to work through with that. before the fact and here in the midst of it.
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i wouldn't recommend it to others. and the story isn't so much me as it is the conditions that everyone is going through, right? what brought me there to that home that evening, is that they had exhausted every other option that was available to them. local folks and evacuation numbers and resources. and no one else was available. they are willing to go in or tied in or personnel tied up with their own wounded. the message i got was, there's this urgent need and there's nobody else available. you know the area. are you up for going in? you know, i opted into it. it's pretty intense. >> it's extremely intense. the video we showed our viewers a few moments ago, of you helping the elderly gentleman down the stairs, again, hats off
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to you. a job well done there. we mention that you go by bahmud brad. the city has been the site of very serious fighting. what have you witnessed? what can you tell us about what you are seeing out there? >> conditions are brutal. what ukrainian folks are having to endure, the way winter is being weaponized, against these folks here, pretty unspeakable. russian assaults are in indisc indiscriminate. there's a lot of pain that civilians are enduring. i don't know how much else to put that. it's grim. and all of the volunteers are out in different roles and we're trying to roll up our sleeves and pitch in.
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>> one of the things the ukrainian people are worried about and they told us so many peoples. they're afraid that the people in the west, the american people, will lose interest and move on to something else. what you have done, brad, that is remarkable, in addition to the bravery that you demo demonstrated out there and helping these folks, is putting it on social media. getting the video out to the public. that's going to keep it fresh in people's minds. was there a rescue or a route where you weren't sure you were going to make it? >> there are a few like that. i wear a great deal of heavy and very unfashionable armor. i try to get all of the intel that i can through apps and other sort of sources about safe routes and what the activity has been in the area before going in. part of why i was able to go into these specific folks is i had been to that -- their corner
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several times. even earlier that same day. so, i knew the route. i was able to take that on. this isn't a death wish. i'm looking forward to returning when it makes sense. in a way, i don't want to be here. you know? but it's too weighty and too grim and too necessary, unjust, right? to just kind of set it out. >> i talked to other americans that are compelled. they couldn't make any other choice but to go and do what they could. brad, do you get to check in on the people you rescued? what about the elderly gentleman you rescued down the stairs and his family? >> i'm not in touch with most. i do offer my number to folks, as it sort of seems fitting.
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with this particular couple, we stayed in touch. we exchanged some text messages about 20 minutes ago with the latest update. but they're now safe, further into the west of the country. we actually ended up going to two different hospitals for levels of care. i'm not sure what footage you were able to see. that night, we had to go to two different places to get what needed to get done. the responding doc at the first place i went to, certainly gave it a -- we'll do what we can. they worked hard and did more to give careful work. there were serious injuries, according to his chest and lungs and so forth. so so s, able to stop the bleeding and tubing and so forth, and on to the next locations down the
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road. they didn't have ambulances available. we put him back in the same vehicle of mine. >> i know you operate on donations. how can people help? what can they do to pitch in? >> yeah. most of us, we all do. there's a facebook group. and there's the paypal and venmo and zelle and friends are helping me with the group. it was a sleepy group, for some interested in supportive friends and family and folks from church and what not. all of a sudden, some coverage brought it to the attention of a lot of other folks. we're doing what we can. the bakhmut brad facebook group. >> we appreciate what you're doing over there. for a u.p.s. driver from maine, you have delivered hope. if you don't mind me saying. thank you for your time and
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appreciate it. >> take care. >> you, too. coming up next, it's what scientists are calling a milestone for the future of clean energy. the nuclear fusion breakthrough. you're live in the cnn newsroom.
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it's a historic breakthrough that could change life on this planet. scientists have figured out how to replicate the energy from the sun from a fusion reaction. how long can there be until there's an unlimited supply of clean energy? how scientists are moving forward with the holy grail of
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carbon-free power. >> this is one of the most impressive scientific feats of the 21st century. or as the president might say, this is a bfd. >> reporter: the breakthrough happened inside this lab in california. u.s. scientists have effectively figured out how to battle the s battle the sun, to fire upon two hydrogen atoms, unleashing energy that replicates conditions that has allowed the sun to burn bright for billions of years. >> this milestone moves us one significant step closer to the possibility of zero carbon abundant fusion energy, powering our society. we can use it to produce clean electricity, transportation fuels, power heavy industry. >> reporter: on december 5th,
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for the first time ever, the fusion produced more energy than the lasers used to drive it. for an energy source to be viable, the energy output must be larger than the energy used to produce it, proving nuclear fusion is a feasible energy source with no carbon footprint and no radioactive waste. >> it took not just one generation, but generations of people pursuing this goal. it's a scientific milestone. >> reporter: the discovery is critical in the quest to pivot away from dirty energy sources like fossil fuels and power our everyday lives using clean energy. it could be decades before it's available for widescale use. and by that time, the climate crisis could reach a tipping point. >> the biden administration has set an aspirational goal of getting a commercial fusion reactor up and running in a decade. scientists say it's more likely to take two to three decades. they still need to figure out how to generate enough power for
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now to qatar, where the stage is set for the world cup final. it's france versus argentina. for france, it's a chance to be back-to-back champions. for argentina, it's the final chance for lionel messi to bring home the world cup title. patrick snell joins me now. a glorious world cup. give us a preview. these are the two biggest stars in the sport, arguably, right now. >> they really are, jim. from a footballing perspective, the last month has been
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fascinating. and there's an added plot twist. they're also club teammates in the domestic french league. so, it will be awkward for one of them when they get back to training after the world cup, whichever way this goes. so much history on the line. argentina are looking to win the sport's biggest prize for the first time in 36 years. france, it's been just four years since they triumphed in 2018 in russia. you can see the stats. messi, at 35, said it's his last world cup. mbappe is just 23 years of age. all of the narratives around those two. it's messi i want to hone in on first. he experienced the pain of defeat in the world cup final, when they lost to the germans in rio. and his international manager saying, look, we've got to give him the perfect sendoff in his last-ever tournament game. take a listen.
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>> translator: regarding what messi said about this being his last game, let's hope in this cou can win the cup. there's no better scenario for it in the world cup final. >> just to put a ribbon on it, the preview, it will be fantastic. both countries looking to win the world cup for a third time. so much history on the line. >> and today's game, decided who finished third. tell us about that. >> this one was really interesting, as well. and the hugely inspiring moroccans. they were going head-to-head with croatia in the third place playoff line. and it would be croatia that get the job done, 2-1, in tend. they win this one. they would take an early lead, breaking the deadlock after seven minutes of play. and then barely two minutes
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later, the lions level and they have become the first african and arab nation to get to the last four of a fifa world cup. but the pick of the bunch, the stunning way to win the match. taken by croatia, an outstanding finish. 2-1, croatia. but morocco have been inspiring throughout. and i want to pay tribute to croatia. this is a population of less than 4 million people, as well. a third place bronze medal finish for the croatians, jim. >> to the delight of my producer, alex hunter, who is watching right now. >> hey, alex. he'll be happy, i know that. >> he is happy, as all croatians. we'll be right back. mercedes-benz is turning electric... completetely on its head. bringing legendaryry design.. and state-of-the-art technology... to a fully-electric suv. the all-new, all-electric eqb from mercedes-benz.
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an all new episode of this is life airs tomorrow. >> how long does someone have to drink to develop liver disease? >> for a woman that would be four drinks a day. a man would be five. if you're binge drinking, it is that pattern of alcohol use that leads to more severe liver dysfunction. >> i know a lot of people who may not be seeing the consequences now. but this is giving birth to what could be just a disastrous situation years down the line. >> i think we're already there. the number of referrals for liver transplant in young people, particularly young women, have gone up, i mean, a week ago friday, we got 24 referrals for liver transplant in one day. >> in your entire career, would
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you have ever thought? >> no. never. alcohol is the biggest problem in america right now. and it is one that no one has really talked about. >> "this is life" with lisa ling tomorrow night right here at 9:00. we'll be right back. (stalled engine) come on, ole' beauty. hey, are you ready? ♪ ♪
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